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Topic: Virtual DJ APP
Are we getting a Virtual DJ App (not the remote) any time soon ? just curious.
Thanks
 
Posted 5 days ago @ 4:07 am
can we add this one to all the others who thinks having a gimmicky release for a tablet or a phone is a good idea?

just because some others do it doesn't mean VirtualDJ should. They've never been a jump on the bandwagon company and hopefully never are.
Instead they can concentrate on making the software what it's been for as long as i can remember: a software built for dj's by dj's and putting out software that blows the others away.
 
see. using a dj app on phone or tablet will force you to just mix a song to another, it will never give you the chance to do routines or make some manual effects. Once you try it after a couple of days u will go back to laptop use
 
DeeJaY_Fr0sT wrote :
it will never give you the chance to do routines




Besides, "just" mixing songs into each other is what many DJs do - so it's really not a problem.
 
Maybe the way i mix is different than yours. as i mix a lot of genres and styles together and do a lot of blends between western and oriental.
 
DeeJaY_Fr0sT wrote :
i mix a lot of genres and styles together


So do I. So do many DJs.

Are you claiming that using a phone or tablet prevents you from playing certain genres? 😮

IMO the hardware it's running on makes no difference. It's DJ software.
 
Angelo works for Algoridim (so that's a loaded example), and if you look carefully when he's using a Phone, it's all pre-prepared sets.
If you look at any open format DJ that's are actually freestyling a set, you'll never see a phone, and it should be obvious why (limited storage, akward input search, not all features enabled like Serato flip, no MIDI mapping, etc).

Phone use, currently, is a backup option for the vast majority of the people at the top, because once you start trying to work seriously with it, like described before, its limits show up.
 
DJ VinylTouch wrote :
Angelo works for Algoriddim


Yes I know he does, and he's also a DMC World Champion so it does show that you can do routines on a phone. I'm sure there are also videos of people doing routines on the Serato app.

IMO a "routine" usually will be prepared in advance and consist of a relatively small number of tracks.

Is "limited storage" really an excuse now that so many DJs are playing from streaming services?

Open format and freestyling, well IMO that's not a routine.

FYI I'm not saying phones are as good as laptops or that they'll replace them. Just responding to that one comment.
 
As I said in another thread I've tried most DJ softwares and both InMusic and Pioneer standalone. But for my gigs the solid solution is either my MCX8000 or FLX10 with VDJ, Showxpress and a Windows laptop. Anything else is just playing about and I couldn't provide my full experience by using other solutions.

Each to their own and all that but years of experience tells me what is best.
 
groovindj wrote :
DJ VinylTouch wrote :
Angelo works for Algoriddim


Yes I know he does, and he's also a DMC World Champion so it does show that you can do routines on a phone. I'm sure there are also videos of people doing routines on the Serato app.


I never said you can't do routines - those can easily be tailored to what the processing systm offers.


What I'm saying is, once you expand beyond routines (which are pre-prepared playlists) into freestyling, that setup falls short, and is one of the reasons you'll probably not aee an open format/freestyle DJ basing their setup on it

groovindj wrote :

Is "limited storage" really an excuse now that so many DJs are playing from streaming services?


Of course it is, simply because Internet-based collections are unreliable (and you already know this).
Caching is just a stop gap for the problem - you still need enough onboard storage for your cache.

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Open format and freestyling, well IMO that's not a routine.

FYI I'm not saying phones are as good as laptops or that they'll replace them. Just responding to that one comment.


Yep I'm not saying that either, I'm just pointing out the limits that jave to be considered before you start using such a device, and once you consider those reasons, it shows that it will only be a backup option for a lot of people in the freestyle category.

It's not really revolutionary imo, it's curently just a platform choice with a slimmed down version of the computer application that is optimized to run on such devices.
However it does have a proper niche and I wouldn't that the team is looking into it.
 
DJ VinylTouch wrote :

I never said you can't do routines

No, but the other guy did - and I was responding to that post.
 
Yep that's definitely wrong lol.
 
DJay Pro kind of owns this concept. It'll be interesting to see how many Serato-ists actually migrate to their phones or ipads. I keep hearing that standalone controllers are the future, so maybe using your phone is the perfect middle road so that you are not chained to one controller.
 
Paul McKenzie wrote :
standalone controllers are the future

Stand alone is "the future" since 2013.. For over 13 years now!
Naaah... The market more or less has settled on various formats.
Slight variations (a little more stand alone users for the next 3 years, a little more latop user for the next 3, a little more ipad/table users the other 3) won't make drastic shifts over a specific platform.

As a sidenote:
DVS originally was developed for the "old school" guys that have learn to play on vinyl and didn't want to migrate on CD's /CDJ's.
Yet, you see young people/dj's that they have never seen a cart of vinyls in real life, learn how to use DVS.
The technology was developed after a need, but then it produced it's own "scene" and it's own "thing"

This is what happens more or less with most technological achievements.
So.. Is there a market and a place for a "phone" or a "tablet" DJ app ?
Sure
Is that market big enough to not be considered a niche ?
No, not yet
Will it ever be ?
Only time will tell, but personally I don't predict much grow in the next 2/3 years.
 
The reason why, in theory, I would say standalone is the future, is because it really achieves the baseline goal well - to be able to have access to your collection in the smallest form/ultimate portability (a storage drive), and a good enough way to play it back, with all the features needed to mix the music.

All the other iterations were steps taken to that goal, including DVS, but they fall short in one or more of the aspects (e.g. portability, sensitivity to the environment).
Tbh, DVS aside, Standlones via Pioneer/AlphaTheta is found in every larger venue (from club to festival) in some form, and are actively used in those cases to date.
It currently does sacrifice power (e.g. no realtime stems), flexibility (e.g. MIDI mapping), and input ability, but that could change in future.

Wrt Mobile device software, DJay probably was the first to consider a port there, but as said before, it was probably an active decision made by all vendors - it largely didn't make sense to put resources into developing a standalone app that was going to be severely crippled for features due to processing power, and have virtually no hardware support. Vendors actually looked into a remote app before that, which makes sense - the laptop already supports everything, so give me an option to tuck it away or amend its functionality.
Things have changed in both cases for standalone to be better, but it still has a ways to go to be a real contender to a laptop. Input is probably the one thing that wouldn't really be solved as effectively - keyboard and trackpad based usage is just that much faster.